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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by damonnoisette</title>
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		<dc:creator>damonnoisette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 20:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Toyota offers recycling through dealers and that a majority of the Prius -- including battery -- can be recycled. 

AFAIK and have read there have not been any warranty replacements made to batteries on the Gen 2 models so far. Also, individual cells can be replaced in the event of an issue and used battery packs can be found on eBay for $500-600 with low miles/usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Toyota offers recycling through dealers and that a majority of the Prius &#8212; including battery &#8212; can be recycled. </p>
<p>AFAIK and have read there have not been any warranty replacements made to batteries on the Gen 2 models so far. Also, individual cells can be replaced in the event of an issue and used battery packs can be found on eBay for $500-600 with low miles/usage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by damonnoisette</title>
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		<dc:creator>damonnoisette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d imagine that&#039;s the same danger that someone in a Porsche or other small sports car would have in a collision with a bigger vehicle.

By the way, my 2005 Prius was totaled back in November by a driver in a Ford F350 that decided not to stop at a red light. My wife was driving and managed to avoid the full-on t-bone but still got hit pretty badly in the passenger side front quarter-panel. My wife was ok and the car did amazingly well. It still ran after the accident but the bent frame was enough to make it a total loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d imagine that&#8217;s the same danger that someone in a Porsche or other small sports car would have in a collision with a bigger vehicle.</p>
<p>By the way, my 2005 Prius was totaled back in November by a driver in a Ford F350 that decided not to stop at a red light. My wife was driving and managed to avoid the full-on t-bone but still got hit pretty badly in the passenger side front quarter-panel. My wife was ok and the car did amazingly well. It still ran after the accident but the bent frame was enough to make it a total loss.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with a small car like a Prius is if it collides with a Chevy Avalanche, the people in the Prius are going to sustain far worse injuries than the people in the Avalanche.  Basic law of physics bigger and heavy vs smaller and lighter, crash ratings notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with a small car like a Prius is if it collides with a Chevy Avalanche, the people in the Prius are going to sustain far worse injuries than the people in the Avalanche.  Basic law of physics bigger and heavy vs smaller and lighter, crash ratings notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by Leon Sumter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Sumter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there seems to be a lot of hype about the latest batch of electric cars to be released shortly, i.e Mini, Leaf etc and these manufacturers claim that they are zero emission cars.
I would like to contest this claim and say that they are zero running emission but certainly not zero overall emissions.
Some of the coal fired power stations produce more carbon emissions to charge the batteries than would a modern clean burning turbo diesel. If however the powerstations were powered by renewable energy i.e. hydroelectric, wind, wave etc then of course the situation changes.
I can&#039;t see electric cars really gaining a foothold. Those batteries are simply far too heavy and far too costly to replace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there seems to be a lot of hype about the latest batch of electric cars to be released shortly, i.e Mini, Leaf etc and these manufacturers claim that they are zero emission cars.<br />
I would like to contest this claim and say that they are zero running emission but certainly not zero overall emissions.<br />
Some of the coal fired power stations produce more carbon emissions to charge the batteries than would a modern clean burning turbo diesel. If however the powerstations were powered by renewable energy i.e. hydroelectric, wind, wave etc then of course the situation changes.<br />
I can&#8217;t see electric cars really gaining a foothold. Those batteries are simply far too heavy and far too costly to replace.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by Anonymous Cow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Cow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, why would people not like hybrid technology but like new combustion technology, or in fact, *any* new propulsion/power technology?  A hybrid vehicle is just a dual-power vehicle.  It uses electricity to propel the vehicle, and it it uses combustion to propel the vehicle -- in an either/or way.  (It also usually has &quot;regenerative brakes&quot; which means when you brake you get some electricity back).

In other words, you take two technologies and use both to power the system in tandem.  The technology involved is really:  how do we fit two systems into one car, and how do we maximize the two system&#039;s individual benefits to make a better car.

If you like the new combustion engine technology coming out, why would a hybrid preclude your use of that technology?  Why couldn&#039;t you put that new tech into an even better hybrid?  (There may be reasons, such as size that might prohibit it, but I would not just *assume* that).

Indeed the use of flywheels, fuel-cells, etc, are all just more power technologies.  Maybe some of them can be used by themselves to power a car, maybe some may not.  Any that would be used together is what a hybrid car is.

The current cars just use whatever the current electric drive and combustion drive technology.  There is nothing stopping us from combining different technologies or better of the same technologies, except for the engineering and economics that lie in the details.

Anyway, what do I drive?  A 1999 New Beetle.  Why?  Well in 1999 there weren&#039;t any good cars to buy anyway but I needed a car to do my job.  Why haven&#039;t I bought a Prius or something better?  Well, because my car still works -- if I sold it or otherwise disused it, I would not likely be making anything &quot;greener&quot;.

You must figure in that *someone else* will be driving the car regardless of myself, so it&#039;s lifetime would still exist.  All I would be doing is adding a new car to the population.  In otherwords, it&#039;s probably best to continue to use my car until it &quot;dies&quot; than to &quot;consume&quot; another prematurely -- even if that one is &quot;greener&quot;.  Would you throw away a half-eaten meal for a cheaper one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, why would people not like hybrid technology but like new combustion technology, or in fact, *any* new propulsion/power technology?  A hybrid vehicle is just a dual-power vehicle.  It uses electricity to propel the vehicle, and it it uses combustion to propel the vehicle &#8212; in an either/or way.  (It also usually has &#8220;regenerative brakes&#8221; which means when you brake you get some electricity back).</p>
<p>In other words, you take two technologies and use both to power the system in tandem.  The technology involved is really:  how do we fit two systems into one car, and how do we maximize the two system&#8217;s individual benefits to make a better car.</p>
<p>If you like the new combustion engine technology coming out, why would a hybrid preclude your use of that technology?  Why couldn&#8217;t you put that new tech into an even better hybrid?  (There may be reasons, such as size that might prohibit it, but I would not just *assume* that).</p>
<p>Indeed the use of flywheels, fuel-cells, etc, are all just more power technologies.  Maybe some of them can be used by themselves to power a car, maybe some may not.  Any that would be used together is what a hybrid car is.</p>
<p>The current cars just use whatever the current electric drive and combustion drive technology.  There is nothing stopping us from combining different technologies or better of the same technologies, except for the engineering and economics that lie in the details.</p>
<p>Anyway, what do I drive?  A 1999 New Beetle.  Why?  Well in 1999 there weren&#8217;t any good cars to buy anyway but I needed a car to do my job.  Why haven&#8217;t I bought a Prius or something better?  Well, because my car still works &#8212; if I sold it or otherwise disused it, I would not likely be making anything &#8220;greener&#8221;.</p>
<p>You must figure in that *someone else* will be driving the car regardless of myself, so it&#8217;s lifetime would still exist.  All I would be doing is adding a new car to the population.  In otherwords, it&#8217;s probably best to continue to use my car until it &#8220;dies&#8221; than to &#8220;consume&#8221; another prematurely &#8212; even if that one is &#8220;greener&#8221;.  Would you throw away a half-eaten meal for a cheaper one?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by Cogewa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cogewa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1661&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@damonnoisette&lt;/a&gt; 

By the way, how much does a replacement battery cost and how is it disposed of?  Is there additional charge for that disposal?</description>
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<p>By the way, how much does a replacement battery cost and how is it disposed of?  Is there additional charge for that disposal?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Prius owner, I am aware that the car is not environmentally friendly. But then, no car is. If you look at the production workflow for any vehicle (and most products these days) there is a vast amount of shipping that is wasted on parts and core material. There seems to be a problem with the extraction of the base materials for the battery in Canada, which obviously needs looking at on a global scale, but to be honest, how many of us take enough care over the sourcing of the things we buy? Does Toyota, or every Prius owner have to take flak for every single stage of the production of every single piece of the vehicle? Or should, you know, the company that is polluting Canada not take the blame?

As I said, no car is great for the environment. If I want to be environmentally friendly, I walk, failing that I cycle. I buy a hybrid that is a product of the Tokyo summit, is guaranteed carbon neutral by the supplier, gives me great mileage in relative luxury and doesn&#039;t pump out much from the exhaust and I keep it for at least ten years. As for a &#039;statement&#039;, well how many of these new hybrid/electric/hydrogen cars do you think would have gone into production if the Prius hadn&#039;t shown the moribund car industry that the buying public WANTS this kind of vehicle?

And to be honest, I just bought it because I quite liked the idea and the car itself. I did not sign up to be some communist hemp-wearing Swampy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Prius owner, I am aware that the car is not environmentally friendly. But then, no car is. If you look at the production workflow for any vehicle (and most products these days) there is a vast amount of shipping that is wasted on parts and core material. There seems to be a problem with the extraction of the base materials for the battery in Canada, which obviously needs looking at on a global scale, but to be honest, how many of us take enough care over the sourcing of the things we buy? Does Toyota, or every Prius owner have to take flak for every single stage of the production of every single piece of the vehicle? Or should, you know, the company that is polluting Canada not take the blame?</p>
<p>As I said, no car is great for the environment. If I want to be environmentally friendly, I walk, failing that I cycle. I buy a hybrid that is a product of the Tokyo summit, is guaranteed carbon neutral by the supplier, gives me great mileage in relative luxury and doesn&#8217;t pump out much from the exhaust and I keep it for at least ten years. As for a &#8217;statement&#8217;, well how many of these new hybrid/electric/hydrogen cars do you think would have gone into production if the Prius hadn&#8217;t shown the moribund car industry that the buying public WANTS this kind of vehicle?</p>
<p>And to be honest, I just bought it because I quite liked the idea and the car itself. I did not sign up to be some communist hemp-wearing Swampy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1595&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Siggi&lt;/a&gt; 
Not big enough. Crap performance. Dirty local pollution. Wakes the neighbours.</description>
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Not big enough. Crap performance. Dirty local pollution. Wakes the neighbours.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by Rayon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey truck driver? In response to your spelling and grammar lecture... there&#039;s no apostrophe when you pluralize typo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey truck driver? In response to your spelling and grammar lecture&#8230; there&#8217;s no apostrophe when you pluralize typo.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Toyota debunks the Hummer vs Prius myth by Leon Sumter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Sumter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 17:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the RSA:
A Toyota Prius costs R299,000.
A C Class C180K Classic costs R300,000.
A BMW 320i Start Steptronic costs R302,000.

Guess which two superbly engineered luxury German cars I would prefer.
The Prius is a Toyota and has bland styling and the hybrid technology is extremely complex. The nickel iron battery pack will also be extremely expensive to replace. In the RSA only 1 million Prius&#039;s have been sold since its introduction.
Leon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the RSA:<br />
A Toyota Prius costs R299,000.<br />
A C Class C180K Classic costs R300,000.<br />
A BMW 320i Start Steptronic costs R302,000.</p>
<p>Guess which two superbly engineered luxury German cars I would prefer.<br />
The Prius is a Toyota and has bland styling and the hybrid technology is extremely complex. The nickel iron battery pack will also be extremely expensive to replace. In the RSA only 1 million Prius&#8217;s have been sold since its introduction.<br />
Leon</p>
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